Christian City Church

Christian City Church is the brainchild of Minister Phil Pringle, who is also the Senior Minister of CCC Oxford Falls. With over 200 Christian City Churches world wide they are also known as C3iglobal.

To refresh the current situation pertaining to this Christian City Church blog, it involves Christian City Church Whitehorse and the welfare organisation Christian City Care. It directly concerns a Mr Ryan who was employed by the Board of Directors of CCCare/CCCW in 2003 to be the CCCare Welfare Worker.

Fact is Mr Ryan was not a qualified Welfare Worker.

Fact is he was unqualified to perform the duties of a Welfare Worker.

Unqualified means:
Not qualified; not fit; lacking requisite qualifications: unqualified for the job.

Mr Ryan's position within CCCare was not just a matter of accessing clients for food hampers or to source out accommodation or material aid. What makes this matter troubling is some of the clients Mr Ryan was dealing with had alcohol and drug abuse issues. Some clients also had mental issues, abuse issues and what I'd call substantial life management issues.

Mr Ryan was given carte blanche authority by CCCare to assist these clients with the above issues.

For instance, I was witness to many occasions when Mr Ryan bought alcohol for alcoholics. A number of times he'd taken clients who were alcoholics to the pub. He'd even formed friendships with clients outside of CCCare and would invite clients to his home for a BBQ and drinks.

Most people would realise that you don't give an alcoholic alcohol. Transpose this to a Welfare Worker and they would certainly have the training to know that giving alcohol to an alcoholic is a no no. But Mr Ryan the (so called) welfare worker for Christian City Care had no clue!

In another display of the CCCare's bogus welfare workers inapt abilities, he had a client (lets call her Ann).

Anne came from an abusive relationship, had a history of being incarcerated, had a teenager son (who was removed from here care) and had a history of drug abuse. At the time Ann was on the methadone program.

Ann was being housed in a medium term women's accommodation program. A two bedroom unit in an eastern suburb of Melbourne. The apparent residential conditions of this unit was that Ann must live there by herself.

However Mr Ryan had a problem. Two of his CCCare clients were desperately in need of accommodation. In additions one of these clients had a drug abuse issue, whilst the other was an alcoholic. Instead of respecting the fact that Ann had issues also, he manipulated Ann into allowing these two men to reside at her unit.

Not only did this place Ann at risk of relapsing back to her substance abuse, but, it also directly jeopardised Ann's accommodation conditions.

Unfortunately not long after these two men moved into Ann's residence trouble commenced. Ann began drinking and smoking drugs. When both men were asked to leave, one complied, whilst the other turned nasty and reported Ann to the organisation that had given her the housing.

Ann's return to drugs, could have been prevented and the obvious risks should have been avoided.

When you have a welfare organisation (CCCare) passing Mr Ryan off as a Social/Welfare Worker, (and allowing this person to do the same), situations such as what happen to Ann, the alcoholics and any client of Christian City Care who dealt with Mr Ryan (CCCare bogus Welfare Worker) is an inevitable outcome.

It's a pity that Mr Ryan did not hold insight to realise he was in over his head. It's also sad state of affairs when a registered Welfare Organisation in Victoria, CCCare, were incapable of seeing the damage that Mr Ryan was/ had caused to clients of CCCare.

Unfortunately both Christian City Care and Christian City Church Whitehorse refuse to take any accountability for Mr Ryan's actions.

Let's just hope that due to Mr Ryan's lack of qualifications and bogus Social/Welfare Worker status, he has not caused any of his CCCare clients who suffered mental illness, alcohol/drug abuse issues or other serious problems any physical harm, abuse or worse.

As I was also a client of Mr Tony Ryan, Christian City Church Whitehorse being a Church of 3Ciglobal and Christian City Churches, that Senior Minister Phil Pringle needs to address the lack of accountability at CCCW and CCCare.

Both Minister Phil Pringle and Christian City Church Oxford Falls have been advised on three separate occasions about these welfare issues. However to date no response has been received.

CCCW CCCare Welfare Worker Scam

Maybe I just hold different values but I find it hard to comprehend that no one from Oxford Falls Church has contacted me. This begs the question, what could they (CCC Oxford Falls) or more to the point, what could Senior Minister Phil Pringle be afraid of?

Although I had a brief contact with Senior Minister Peter McHugh of Christian City Church Whitehorse, he decided to turn his back on this issue again and bury his head in the sand once more. May what I've dug up on CCCare/CCCW this time will have me being contacted to resume talks.

Remove the emotion from this Christian City Church blog and your left with black and white facts!

CCCW/CCCare Facts:
Tony Ryan Listed as CCCare Social Worker on the CCCW web site 2004.
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Tony Ryan listed as CCCare Social Worker on the CCCW web site 2005. (29/06/08 archive down)
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Speaking of the CCCare Bogus Social Worker. Guess what I found CCCW? Give up!...
I found the Privacy Policy for CCCW/CCCare that was current when I was a client of CCCare.

To view the CCCW/CCCare Privacy Policy Click Here. (NB must have a pdf viewer)

Could I possibly have anything better. Well actually...Yes I do!

In my web travels I've uncovered the CCCW/CCCare June/July 2005 (What's On) Newsletter. Big deal you say. Hmmm actually it is a big deal when you view the 2'nd last page below. Look closely to the Job Description for Tony Ryan. It states Welfare Worker. However above states Social Worker.

CCCW June/July 2005 What's On Newsletter:
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Mr Tony Ryan is NOT A Welfare Worker. PERIOD!

Those who have been following this blog, may recall, the signed letter I received from Senior Minister Peter McHugh Chairman of the CCCare and CCCW Board of Directors (dated 28'th June 2005).

"We further confirm advice to you that Mr Ryan is employed by our organisation on a part-time basis as an unqualified welfare worker."

Letter From CCCare/CCCW Chairman of the Board (dated 28'th June 2005).
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In Australia you can not be an unqualified welfare worker. Further factual proof of the CCCare Social Worker, Welfare Worker scam.

CCC Sideshow Carney

It's unfortunate that Senior Minister Peter McHugh of Christian City Church Whitehorse (aka CCC Vermont), who is also a qualified Social Worker, has decided to retreat back to the sand pit and to stick his head firmly back in it!

Though when one speaks to both ex CCC members and ex CCC employees of Christian City Church this type on behaviour and practice of non-accountability shines through in each of their accounts.

In my opinion the Senior Minister of CCCW is nothing more than a modern day Sideshow Carney.

• There is nothing God like about the address of these issues by Senior Minister Peter McHugh.
  
• There is nothing God like about his lack of accountability.
• Zero empathy that I got shafted by the CCCare Bogus Social Worker.

It seems that I'll have to turn up the heat on the blog to grab some more attention to these issues raised about the CCCare Scam and CCCW Scam for than matter. I don't mind airing more of the Christian City Church dirty laundry as I'm sure people would love to read about CCC dodgy business.

If you'd like to resume talks you know where to find me Senior Minister Peter McHugh ;-)

Minister Peter McHugh Contact

Even though I'd sent out numerous emails (about 60 in total), I'd still not received a response from the Chairman of the board for CCCare/CCCW Senior Minister Peter McHugh. So as of last Friday I decided to send him an email. This however was harder than first thought of because all correspondence had to go through the P.A (Personal Assistant) for the Minister.

Anyway the email was written and sent.

Surprisingly enough the following Monday (16/06/2008) I received a direct response from Senior Minister Peter McHugh. The shock of being contacted was finally over taken by this sarcastic remark, "I was wondering if you had considered putting both of your attachments to this email on your blog and allowing people to make up their own minds."

The attachments referred to above, were posted to this blog on the 29/06/2008 located here:
http://www.liquidpixel.biz/2008/05/chairman-cccare-board-letter.html

http://www.liquidpixel.biz/2008/05/cccare-welfare-worker-client-loans.html

I included both original docs copies in the email to the PA, just in case Minister Peter McHugh had misplaced them.

My response was sarcastic, "Maybe you need to take a longer look at the blog, else put your glasses on, because both attached Docs were added to the blog in May 2008."

It seemed pretty obvious he didn't bank on the fact that I'd post these to back up my story. Sometimes I really wonder where some people's heads are at. What idiot would start a blog and make claims that I have, without including documents of fact to back these claims...Sheesh!

The preceding response from Minister Peter McHugh was a simple sentence, "What is that you are wanting from me?"

I sent my reply back. In a nut shell it pointed directly to CCCare taking responsibility and being accountable for their unqualified Social/Welfare Workers actions. I also included the lose of wages ($48,499.85) due to Mr Ryan's inability to perform his duty of care and so forth.

Well Tuesday came and went & so did Wednesday, but no response from Minister Peter McHugh. Can I assume he has chosen to retired to the sand pit, again!

To be factual I did send a further two emails, yet although I receive confirmation that they'd been opened, I did not receive any response from Minister Peter McHugh for these either.

From where I'm sitting right now the lack of response, especially, the pre-empt direct question to what I was seeking, and then not having the common courtesy to reply. Is just another typical example of the way I've been treated throughout this entire CCCare/CCCW screw up!

It's not my fault that:

• CCCare employed an unqualified person to take on the role of Social/Welfare Worker for their welfare organisation.
  
• CCCare allowed Mr Ryan carte blanche on welfare clients of the CCCare welfare organisation.

The reason Social/Welfare workers have qualifications is because they not only learn how to treat clients with different needs, but are also educated in the code of ethical conduct & professional etiquette.

If you have to blame someone, anyone, look upon your own stupidity. The reason all this happened is due to CCCare hiring an unqualified person for the job of their Social/Welfare Worker.

What is totally amazing, or really damn sad, take your pick, I've discovered that Senior Minister Peter McHugh is a Qualified Social Worker.

On that note, I'll leave you with an extract from Senior Minister Peter McHugh's by "allowing people to make up their own minds" and forming their own opinion on what that fundamentally says about both the leader of Christian City Church Whitehorse and CCCare.

Jesus Camp or Child Evangelist Brainwashing

Since commencing this blog, I've discovered an entire gambit of Evangelist Pentecostal topics. Was doing some google research and came accross this disturbing video on YouTube, entitled Jesus Camp - Brain Washing Highlights.

Jesus camp was the brainchild of Pastor Becky Fisher. Although the camp has now been closed, it gives a pretty clear understanding of the brainwashing like tactics that were used on these innocent children.

CCC Zealot Contact

Maybe this is just pure coincidence, however yesterday I was in direct contact with Pastor Peter McHugh (Chairman of the Board for CCCare and CCCW). Today I received both an email response and two blog comments from the person I spoke of in the following blog entry:

http://www.liquidpixel.biz/2008/06/born-again-christian-truth-issues.html

I'd sent this person an email to say that I was no longer interested in their offer of assistance because I felt he held a direct conflict of interest. Which in my opinion could be manipulated to service a personal agenda.

BTW this is the nice little extract of the email I just received from the person (17/06/2008) who claimed is going to be a Pastor for Christian City Church Hobart.

At a guess he just received notification that I'd rejected his blog comments...lol

"btw i dare you to put my name up there... infact i give you permission! because the second you do i'm going to sue your ass off! Can you you spell slander dick head!?"

Charming conduct, I sure hope you have no intention of using this language when addressing Christian's at Christian City Church Hobart...

Another prime example of how a Born Again Christian behaves when you tell them NO!

Truth is, I (me personally) simply don't trust anyone connected to or involved with Christian City Church. This little outburst, temper tantrum above only confirms my personal beliefs.

I've had a bogus Social/Welfare Worker employed by CCCare use and abuse me. Not to mention the fact that both CCCare, CCCW and Chairman of the Board of Directors for both these organisations white washed the entire unethical issues raised in my formal complaint to them.

Why is that so hard to figure out that my trust factor towards anyone connected to any Christian City Church is going to be iffy at best.

My opinion is (and I personally believe) based on their past performances that it's just as likely that this person was a plant, a spook. Reiterating instead of revealing the truth about himself from the start, HE (not me) chose to hide and no divulged the true nature of his original email contact. Instead HE decided to veil it, sugar coat it, make it sound like HE held doubts about Christian City Church too.

As I've said before, all comments are moderated because I'm not going to let any Christian City Church zealots sabotage this blog just because they've been brainwashed.

CCCare and CCCW

If this is the first time you are reading my blog, I thought it maybe a good idea to draw you a quick overview of why the CCCare and CCCW blog exists. Although the full account of these issues are contained in this blog, this overview should bring new visitors up to speed on the who, why and where.

In October of 2004 I sought assistance from CCCare the welfare arm of C3Whitehorse that was located at 27 Bank Street Box Hill, Victoria Australia. Back then it was known as Christian City Church Whitehorse.

On my first welfare appointment I met Tony Ryan who introduced himself as the CCCare Social Worker. In a nut shell the CCCare Social Worker turns out was not a Social Worker nor even a Welfare Worker but held the position of unqualified welfare worker.

Unqualified means - lacking qualifications, untrained, unqualified to perform a job that requires qualifications.

Over the course of Tony Ryan being my CCCare unqualified (unbeknown to me) Welfare Worker he not only cohered me into signing a loan with his own Finance Company Brontobyte Financial Solutions Pty Ltd, but also scammed me into working a total of 1,400 hours for his buddy Frank Greco who owned Connections Consulting Pty Ltd.

Most people ask...How on on earth could someone scam you into signing a loan and get you to work for someone for 1,400 hours without being paid.

At the time I wasn't well. I'd recently been released (early September 2004) from a 7 week hospital stay. I was both physically and emotionally drained. I sought help from CCCare because I had no one else to turn to. No family, nothing (In late 2003 I'd lost a business, my 10 year relationship ended in April 2004).

Apart from existing in a dodgy rooming house in Box Hill, I was practically destitute.

It's one of those experiences that unless you've been there, it's hard to understand the dynamics.

Bottom line, I thought that Tony Ryan actually care about my welfare, so I ended up trusting him 100%. If Tony said jump I would.

After working a total of 1,400 hours on the basis of trusting Tony Ryan and his word that I'd be paid, I was sacked. In fact Tony Ryan was the one who sacked me after receiving a phone call to do so by his Mate Frank Greco.

CCCare and CCCW become involved was I connected both Christian City Care and Christian City Church Whitehorse and made a formal complaint about Tony Ryan. Instead of accepting responsibility and accountability for the CCCare dodgy unqualified welfare workers actions, the Chairman of the Board of Directors for both CCCare and CCCW (Senior Pastor Peter McHugh), wrote me a letter dispelling all accountability for their involvement and responsibility for their unqualified welfare worker employee unsavoury conduct.

I'm now back on my feet again and so I decided to start this blog. People of Australia, the world, need to know exactly what was allowed to happen at Christian City Care. They also need to be informed about the (in my opinion) lack of ethics, to which the senior Pastor Peter Mchugh operated the Board that oversees both CCCare and CCCW.

C3iglobal

Christian City Church International has over 200 Churches spread across Australia, New Zealand, America , Asia, Europe and Africa. Also known as C3iglobal. The C3 represents CCC or Christian City Church, the i I assume represents International or is it a play on words. Because to me international means global, world wide. It's a bit like referring to an ATM as an ATM Machine. It sounds silly!

Now that we've got Christian City Church International connected to C3iglobal. I wanted to touch on Christian City Church Whitehorse again. Are they now referred to as C3Whitehorse, CCC Vermont, Christian City Church Vermont or CCC Rooks Road. Why so many labels!

We Are The CCCW Borg

When I attended CCCW, Life at Christian City Church felt like I was being assimilated.

We are the Borg. Lower your shields, and surrender your ship. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service ours. Resistance is futile.

Star Trek

Just think about it for a moment. Christian City Church Whitehorse (I'd assume other CCC Churches do the same) run a lot of courses. EG - Connection Groups, Bible study Groups, Prayer Groups, Stepping Forward Groups the list goes on.

Could these Christian City Church groups be interpreted as a form of brain washing...

Take a look at any web site that describes cult churches or church sects and the common denominator is followed by the question...How much influence or control does the Church have on your life?

Of course I can only comment on what I experienced, but, there was always a constant push for me to take part in groups, courses and what not throughout the week at CCCW. There was also a constant push for one to get baptised.

Considering that I'd actually been baptised when I was baby didn't count in the eyes of Christian City Church. I always found that statement rather bizarre. Because unlike the self awarded titles of Rev. and Minister that seem to be flung around Christian City Churches, I was actually baptised by a real ordained Minister, who held a real University doctorate in Theology.

As far as I'm concerned a Pastor is not a Reverend or a Minister.

Using titles such as this, probably gives people (who are unaware) the impression that they hold a university degree in Theology & have been ordained in a mainstream church.

Have any Pastors of the Christian City Church movement been ordained in a mainstream church...Some good food for thought!

Born Again Christian Truth Issues

A week or so ago I received an email from someone who claimed they were interested in my Christian City Church Whitehorse blog. I was informed that he attended CCC hobart.

(Because I'm not a dishonest git, like some people, I'm unable to share this email due to a non disclosure attached contained within this email. However I'll provide an overview in my own words.)

The most important aspect of this email that I wanted share with my readers is... This person somehow forgot to mention that he intended to become a Pastor for Christian City Church Hobart. When weighted up against the context of the email, stating this FACT should have been highly relevant.

Instead he wanted me to believe that although he attended CCC Hobart, he actually held some of his own doubts toward Christian City Churches being like a cult and also about their obsession with money which he found disturbing.

Well I took the hook...

He went on to claim he held a number of media connections and that he was a Journalist for a Perth Newspaper. Also saying that he's like to help me get my story out because he believed it what happen to me was wrong.

At this point he wanted to ask me some questions, said they were only harmless, they'll help him gain a better understand of me and my story. However by the time I got to the question about my identity I started to smell a BIG rat. Add that to being contacted by a free email account and I decided to just provide generic answers. I provided nothing that wasn't on the blog.

I don't know any Journalists but I'd think that any one who has worked with ACA (a current affair) and with media outlets would be able to spell. I'd also expect a Journalist to understand the basic concepts of Grammar. However this email was full of typos, spelling errors a riff with Grammatical errors.

Had another Christian City Church zealot tired to scam me?

Well I thought I'd just play along for a while just to see where this all goes.

A couple of emails later, I'm told he'd like to share this blog and my story with his Senior Pastor at Christian City Church Hobart, Lucas Jacometti. Sure be my guest. He was very gung ho about taking my story to the Pastor of CCC Hobart.

(I sent Lucas Jacometti of CCC Hobart along with 60 other Christian City Church Pastors an email about this blog and asking for their assistance back on the 22/05/2008. Number of responses I received... ZERO).

I contacted him Friday by phone 13/06/2008 and asked how did it go with Lucas Jacometti the CCC Hobart Pastor? I'm told oh...it wasn't appropriate to bring it up. However I have a few suggestions that I think would suit you better at achieving your goals with this blog.

Firstly he recommended I change the heading title, it could put a lot of people off side with your story. Probably meaning...It is really upsetting a lot of Christian City Church zealots. He also recommended that I don't publish any more topics about generic Christian City Churches. Instead I would be better to focus my attention towards CCCW, CCCare and those people who wronged me.

As you can see I have changed the title, however it's a lot more targeted now. I managed to cram in another 200 characters to the title...lol

Anyway he also went onto say that he wanted to see all the documentation I had about everything connect to CCCare, CCCW, Tony Ryan, the loan and the work arrangements. Also added that as he was also studying Law that I should actually go Tony Ryan for the loss of income and what not instead of going Christian City Church Whitehorse.

Like that's going to happen...

Anyway, it's pretty obvious that this person as just a stooge for Christian City Church.

However a before I close this blog post I wanted to share a few thoughts with you.

Those of you who are not brain washed by the Christian City Church juggernaut, will probably understand why leaving the FACT and TRUTH out of the first email (CCC Hobart Pastor gig) makes me question why is that the born again Christians I've met or spoke to, all feel it's ok NOT be 100% truthful, open and above all sincere.

Christian City Churches run a lot of programs, I'm going to assume they also run BS101 too!

It's seems the more vocal they are (about their beliefs) and the more devoted (brain washed) to these cult like churches, church sects and what not, the more these born again Christians bend the TRUTH to make it suit their personal agenda.

Just for the record, using quasi justifications (cop outs) such as 'Christians are human too and we all make mistakes'...or...'Christians are human too are we're all open to sin'...blah, blah, blah! Is pure unadulterated crap! It mimics the same type of (BS) responses you receive from Christian cult churches.

CCCare Accountability

Christian City Care are 100% accountable for every issue I brought to their attention. Because they (CCCare & or CCCW) employed Tony Ryan as a non qualified welfare worker.

Not only did this non qualified CCCare welfare worker sign me up to a personal loan with his finance company Brontobyte Financial Solutions Pty Ltd whilst working for CCCare as my supposed (bogus) Welfare Worker, but, he did it on the same day he was working for CCCare as their bogus Social Worker.

Tony Ryan Social Worker CCCare (click link to view archived CCCW staff titles 2004)

Tony Ryan Social Worker CCCare (clixk link to view archived CCCW staff titles 2005)

To this day the Chairman of the Board (Senior Paster Peter McHugh) for both Christian City Care and Christian City Church Vermont (formally Whitehorse) still claims that the above titles were both typos. So too does CCCare and CCCW.

Yet in a report for CCCare 2003 - 2004, the then Chairman of the board (Dr Ian Richardson) announced the employment of Tony Ryan as the new CCCare Welfare Worker. (no mention of Tony Ryan being an unqualified welfare worker).

Tony Ryan also had scammed me into working 1,400 hours (3.5 months) for his mate Frank Greco who own Connections Consulting Pty Ltd. Reiterating I've still not been paid, even though Tony Ryan gave his word that I would be.

The fact remains that the Chairman of the board for both CCCare and CCCW (Senior Pastor Peter McHugh) to this day refuses to accept that Christian City Care is accountable, much less responsible for their employees actions.

It's a pretty sad state of affairs when a Senior Pastor of a Christian Church, who is also a self proclaimed messenger of God turns his back on issues that are so obviously wrong. Especially when that Senior Pastor (Ps Pastor McHugh) is also a qualified Social Worker.

This entire CCCare Accountability issue stinks of misappropriation. It's a huge cover up on the part of both Christian City Care, CCCW and ultimately in my opinion an even bigger cover up by Pastor Peter McHugh.

Obsessed with Money

The CCC zealots are still visiting on a daily basis and I've still not received any response from either Ps Peter McHugh or any offer of mediation from Ps Phil Pringle. Based on this it would seem I'm in for the long haul.

Not long after getting involved with CCCare I was sublimely seduced into Christian City Church Whitehorse. When you've come from what led me to CCCare in the first place and your totally on your own, having people; at times almost strangers, being affectionate towards you, you start to feel wanted, appreciated and ultimately all warm inside again.

As I write this, I'd like to think that some of these people from CCCW were genuine in their affection. Whilst others, such as Pastor Peter McHugh in my opinion was a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Looking back on events it's clear to me that CCCW was obsessed with money.

It was not out of the ordinary to have 2 or 3 collections in one church service at CCCW. When other Pastors would visit CCCW, additional collections at every service would be acted on just for them.

In addition I also witnessed one (1) of the collections for the departing Music Director. It was said, in hear say, that he walked away that Sunday with a $50,000 golden hand shake.

For the period I attended CCCW the Build for Life program was in full swing, so there was another obsessed money drive for that. On top of the usual collection for the CCCW coffers.

I remember Pastor Peter McHugh standing up and addressing the congregation about how they (CCCW) had raised $900,000 at the VIP dinner for the Build for Life program.

NB - The Build for Life program was touted to cover building costs associate with the new Christian City Church Vermont (C3Centre) being built at Rooks Road Vermont. The new home for CCCW.

Having been raised in a mainstream Church myself, hearing VIP, $900,000 and Church in one sentence from the mouth of the CCCW Pastor was unsettling. More so because everyone of God's children; that's every human being on earth, is supposed to be equal.

The above mindset was used by not only Pastor Peter McHugh but all of the CCCW Pastors when delivering Church services at CCCW. The allure to give more, dig deeper always seemed to be a key note when CCCW Pastors spoke of money.

The longer I was around CCCW, the clearer it became in my eyes and opinions, that Christian City Church Whitehorse was obsessed with money.

These frequent double or triple collection dips at CCCW, I'd surmise three (3) services on a Sunday could net an impressive booty, don't you!

What totally shocked me was the first time I heard Pastor Peter McHugh say, "If you'd like to give with your credit card please hold it up and someone will be around to give you a slip." (or something to that affect).

I often wondered if the new Christian City Church Vermont was having Credit Card swipe terminals embedded into the auditorium seating!

My opinion that CCCW is Obsessed with Money is because money is the focal point of every sermon at Christian City Church. Reiterating Pastor Peter McHugh spoke of God's children being equal. If that was what he (Ps Pastor McHugh) genuinely held in his heart, he'd make it a mission to mix with everyone after a Church service.

Sadly enough that's not the case. You've heard me mention the 'Men at Work Program', where an assortment of welfare clients from CCCare were used to clean up and maintain the ground of Christian City Church Vermont. Well some of these people would attend CCCW also.

Not once did I see Pastor Peter McHugh walk over after the service and say G'Day to these guys. Yet CCCW held no qualms is using these people to maintain their Rooks Road CCCW property. In fact I'd say Pastor Peter McHugh actually shunned the guys on the 'Men at Work Program'. Why? Hmmm maybe because they didn't have any money!

I'd like to close with the following passage from the Bible which demonstrates Jesus opinion of money in God's house.

Ref: http://www.biblegateway.com

Mathew 21: 12-13
Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves. 13 "It is written," he said to them, " 'My house will be called a house of prayer,'but you are making it a 'den of robbers.

Cult Behaviour

Received a blog comment today at around 9:40am 5'th June 2008 in direct response to the Peter McHugh blog. The comment was as follows:

sminns has left a new comment on your post "Peter McHugh":

I have been trying to identify you or find out something about your character from your blog page. I won't read anything you have to say until you identify yourself and tell us something about who you are before I will give any of your opinions the time of day. If you don't identify yourself then you are unaccountable.

sminns IP is: 119.161.71.35

Accessed URL by direct link (not found from search engine).

Which resolves to transformingmelbourne.org (a web site that promotes Pastors in Melbourne Victoria, among other things). Funnily enough I sent the following email to Rev. Rob Xxxxxxxxx who apparently runs the web site of transformingmelbourne.org because I was hoping he may offer some assistance.

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----- Original Message -----
From: liquid pixel blog
To: xxxxxx@transformingmelbourne.org
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 7:49 PM
Subject: Christian City Church

Dear Rev. Rob Xxxxxxxxx,

Pastor Peter McHugh of Christian City Church Whitehorse is listed on your site. Don't know what type of affiliation you have with him, however you may like to view my blog about a series of distressing events that took place at CCCare their welfare organisation.

I've tried to have these matters dealt with in a fair and reasonable manner since day one. Unfortunately both the church and Pastor Peter McHugh have declined to address these issues that way.

http://www.liquidpixel.biz

Maybe after viewing all documents you'll also understand why this matter needs to be addressed.


Regards

David

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Can I surmise that the poster sminns is playing semantics, of course I can. Especially given that when I tried to view the profile for sminns it gave a No Information Page.

http://www.blogger.com/profile/09006077975530563744 (sminns profile link)

Now getting back to the post.

Obviously sminns isn't too bright. Admittedly my full details are not listed on this blog for good reason, these type of cults..(cough churches) breed wackos, but it's not an impossible task to find out who I am. That is if you know what your doing with a PC. To which sminns obviously doesn't.

In so far as the opinionated and arrogant comments, these don't surprise me. They fall directly in line with that of CCCare, CCCW and Pastor Peter McHugh.

There is an old saying, lay down with dogs and you'll wake up with fleas.

sminns it's time you took a good long flea bath!

For the record all comments here are moderated. My email address is posted on site and if anyone wants to genuinely discuss these blog issues in an open manner then I'd be happy to do so.

I wont however entertain morons or those with hidden agendas.

Peter McHugh

The notion that you (Pastor Peter McHugh), Pastor Phil Pringle or any Pastor to the Christian City Church movement would have the decency to contact me, was obviously a big misapprehension.

Seems I hold too much faith in people doing the right thing. That's ironic considering that Christian City Church Pastors are all self proclaimed servants and messengers for God.

The same faith, belief and ultimate trust I held in Tony Ryan your (CCCare) Welfare Worker. He gave his word that I'd be paid for the 3.5 months (1,400 hours) work I completed for his Mate Frank Greco of Connections Consulting Pty Ltd.

The loan documents proved that Tony Ryan was working on the 21'st December 2004 for CCCare.

This totally blows his fictional story of events given to the CCCare Board of Directors. This makes him sound like a very dodgy Welfare Worker.

Yet you (Ps. Peter McHugh) still stand by your letter of response, given by your hand, being the Chairman of the Board for CCCare.

Given the fact your aware that Tony Ryan (Welfare Worker of CCCare) used his position of trust, to feather his Finance Company coffers, on the backs of welfare clients of Christian City Care, and you still choose to do nothing, in my opinion doesn't say a great deal about the integrity of Pastor Peter McHugh.

The loan was just dodgy.

However being privvy to the fact your (CCCare) Welfare Worker also scammed me into working for his Mate (Frank Greco) of Connections Consulting Pty Ltd, knowing I've still not be paid even though your Welfare Worker gave his word I would, and you (Pastor Peter McHugh) still do nothing, that's just pathetic in my opinion.

I've often wondered how you could justify his (Tony Ryan's) actions and your own, for that matter.

I don't wish to burst your bubble Pastor Peter McHugh but you may like to peruse the scriptures. I'm sure you'll find more than a few passages that will tell you exactly how you should have dealt with this matter, and what you need to do right now to fix it.