Cult Behaviour

Received a blog comment today at around 9:40am 5'th June 2008 in direct response to the Peter McHugh blog. The comment was as follows:

sminns has left a new comment on your post "Peter McHugh":

I have been trying to identify you or find out something about your character from your blog page. I won't read anything you have to say until you identify yourself and tell us something about who you are before I will give any of your opinions the time of day. If you don't identify yourself then you are unaccountable.

sminns IP is: 119.161.71.35

Accessed URL by direct link (not found from search engine).

Which resolves to transformingmelbourne.org (a web site that promotes Pastors in Melbourne Victoria, among other things). Funnily enough I sent the following email to Rev. Rob Xxxxxxxxx who apparently runs the web site of transformingmelbourne.org because I was hoping he may offer some assistance.

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----- Original Message -----
From: liquid pixel blog
To: xxxxxx@transformingmelbourne.org
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 7:49 PM
Subject: Christian City Church

Dear Rev. Rob Xxxxxxxxx,

Pastor Peter McHugh of Christian City Church Whitehorse is listed on your site. Don't know what type of affiliation you have with him, however you may like to view my blog about a series of distressing events that took place at CCCare their welfare organisation.

I've tried to have these matters dealt with in a fair and reasonable manner since day one. Unfortunately both the church and Pastor Peter McHugh have declined to address these issues that way.

http://www.liquidpixel.biz

Maybe after viewing all documents you'll also understand why this matter needs to be addressed.


Regards

David

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Can I surmise that the poster sminns is playing semantics, of course I can. Especially given that when I tried to view the profile for sminns it gave a No Information Page.

http://www.blogger.com/profile/09006077975530563744 (sminns profile link)

Now getting back to the post.

Obviously sminns isn't too bright. Admittedly my full details are not listed on this blog for good reason, these type of cults..(cough churches) breed wackos, but it's not an impossible task to find out who I am. That is if you know what your doing with a PC. To which sminns obviously doesn't.

In so far as the opinionated and arrogant comments, these don't surprise me. They fall directly in line with that of CCCare, CCCW and Pastor Peter McHugh.

There is an old saying, lay down with dogs and you'll wake up with fleas.

sminns it's time you took a good long flea bath!

For the record all comments here are moderated. My email address is posted on site and if anyone wants to genuinely discuss these blog issues in an open manner then I'd be happy to do so.

I wont however entertain morons or those with hidden agendas.

Peter McHugh

The notion that you (Pastor Peter McHugh), Pastor Phil Pringle or any Pastor to the Christian City Church movement would have the decency to contact me, was obviously a big misapprehension.

Seems I hold too much faith in people doing the right thing. That's ironic considering that Christian City Church Pastors are all self proclaimed servants and messengers for God.

The same faith, belief and ultimate trust I held in Tony Ryan your (CCCare) Welfare Worker. He gave his word that I'd be paid for the 3.5 months (1,400 hours) work I completed for his Mate Frank Greco of Connections Consulting Pty Ltd.

The loan documents proved that Tony Ryan was working on the 21'st December 2004 for CCCare.

This totally blows his fictional story of events given to the CCCare Board of Directors. This makes him sound like a very dodgy Welfare Worker.

Yet you (Ps. Peter McHugh) still stand by your letter of response, given by your hand, being the Chairman of the Board for CCCare.

Given the fact your aware that Tony Ryan (Welfare Worker of CCCare) used his position of trust, to feather his Finance Company coffers, on the backs of welfare clients of Christian City Care, and you still choose to do nothing, in my opinion doesn't say a great deal about the integrity of Pastor Peter McHugh.

The loan was just dodgy.

However being privvy to the fact your (CCCare) Welfare Worker also scammed me into working for his Mate (Frank Greco) of Connections Consulting Pty Ltd, knowing I've still not be paid even though your Welfare Worker gave his word I would, and you (Pastor Peter McHugh) still do nothing, that's just pathetic in my opinion.

I've often wondered how you could justify his (Tony Ryan's) actions and your own, for that matter.

I don't wish to burst your bubble Pastor Peter McHugh but you may like to peruse the scriptures. I'm sure you'll find more than a few passages that will tell you exactly how you should have dealt with this matter, and what you need to do right now to fix it.

CCCare Welfare Worker Client Loans

As promised I have scanned the original loan documents I received from Tony Ryan my (welfare worker) at Christian City Care.

For the record, Peter Mchugh the Chairman of the board for Christian City Care stated in his letter to me, and I quote, "Mr Ryan is adamant that no discussion for a loan occurred in his capacity with our organisation."

That's a muot point.

The first time I visited Christian City Care was for welfare assistance. Any future visits, appointments, outings ect connecting me with Tony Ryan period, fall directly under the guise of CCCare and his capacity as the CCCare Welfare Worker.

Reiterating this loan was signed on the 21'st Day of December 2004. In fact I'd met Mr Ryan at his office at CCCare and he'd driven me to Connections Consulting Pty Ltd and the loan documents were signed in the coffee shop next door. Mr Tony Ryan was working for CCCare in his capacity as their Welfare Worker on the 21/12/2004.

Further more the closing sentence of this letter from Peter McHugh states and I quote, "Notwithstanding, we have instructed Mr Ryan to not provide his services to any of our future clients of our organisation."

(Clients meaning I was not the only welfare client of Christian City Care to receive a loan from Brontobyte Financial Solutions which is owned by Tony Ryan).


The following links are to these scanned Documents:
(NB - I have blurred full signatures of both parties and also other sensitive data).

please click on the following URL links to view each loan document.

Loan Document Page 1

Loan Document Page 2

Loan Document Page 3

Loan Document Page 4

Loan Document Page 5

CCCW Mediation Request

When this entire fiasco about the dodgy Social/Welfare worker at CCCare hit the proverbial fan the majority of emails; least the ones I were sending, were being addressed directly to the CCCare Development Manager. At the time this was Margaret Fazackerley.

Obviously I'd dropped a bomb shell and cast dubious aspersions onto a staff member, I guess no one likes to receive information like this. Especially a Welfare organisation which operated under the guise of the CCCW board of directors and under the umbrella of a Christian Church.

At the time CCCare was made up of about 5 staff & a handful of generous volunteers, but, it was definitely not structured on the size of well known welfare organisations. To put it simply it was a small welfare organisation located in Box Hill, Victoria.

Maybe CCCare and even CCCW were not au fait with Government guidelines when accepting Grants. Though from what I've seen of their proposal submissions, they didn't have any trouble compiling these to meet Government Dept. guidelines.

So in this sense I found it rather hard to comprehend how they (CCCare and CCCW) would not be well versed in the fact that by accepting a Government Grant, the virtues of this also curtails the expectation that the aforementioned organisation, by proxy, must also abide by general Government Dept. protocols when dealing with such issues as I raised with both CCCare and CCCW.

Unfortunately this was not the case.

Instead CCCare, CCCW, Christian City Church Whitehorse Board of Directors and even the Senior Pastor Peter McHugh (who incidentally at the time was the head of the board of directors) all seemed happy to play semantics.

It was pretty clear that I was not going to get a fair hearing; rather ironic when you consider they preach a doctrine that's supposed to based on fairness and goodwill to all.

Anyway because of this I put forward the recommendation that an outside third party mediation service be used to address these matters.

NB - At the time I was still not working, I'd still not received payment for the 1,400 hours web development work I'd completed for Frank Greco of Connections Consulting. Who turned out to be Tony Ryan's Mate and owed a $10,000 business loan to Brontobyte Financial Solutions (also owned by Tony Ryan), which Frank Greco could not service. Hence my Social Worker and Frank Greco devised a plan to scam me into working for Frank to so Tony Ryan could get his loan repaid. Come to think about it that's almost verging on a conspiracy to commit fraud.

Reiterating CCCare was a small welfare organisation and although I didn't expect negotiations to be finalised in a week, a reasonable time frame to me did not include 8 weeks or more. This was just further proof that they were playing semantics.

When I suggested 3'rd party mediation, there was no rebuff, no dispute, so naturally I assume this was acceptable and would be the way these issues would be handled. However when the time came (9 weeks later) 3'rd party mediation was flatly denied.

The only choice (loose term), option given was to meet with the board of directors solicitor and the CCCare Development manager. Originally they also expected me to front at CCCare for this meeting. That wasn't going to happen. Instead I opted for a public venue and also took alone a witness.

I don't know what information was given to the solicitor but he certainly came unprepared. For some reason he attempted to treat me like a village idiot. Whilst addressing that mindset, my witness cast an eye into his brief case, instead of seeing papers all he saw was a pen and a cheque book; maybe he'd planned to do some banking.

Although it was a meeting that I felt was not conducive to a fair and reasonable out-come, I was prepared to keep an open mind and come to the discussion table with both hands laid open. Obviously they had another strategy.

The final straw came when a further barrage of back handed slaps were deflected directly back to the solicitor. Maybe he's also a bad sportsman, but my counteractive words in defence certainly sealed the end of that meeting.

CCCW

CCCW is the acronym for Christian City Church Whitehorse. Just so we're on the same page, they (CCCW) are Pentecostal evangelists. Actually they run things like a corporation than under the guise of a church but that's their business I guess.

So what's my beef again?

The CCCare Social worker Tony Ryan (was my social worker) who performed the following unethical acts which voided my client duty of care.

• Conned me into working for his mate Frank Greco (Connections Consulting) so Frank Greco could pay back a business loan of $10,000 to Tony Ryan who also owned Brontobyte Financial Solutions.
• Repeatedly promised (gave his word) I'd be paid for work but never was. (worked 1,400 hours)
• When I didn't finally get paid I approached Tony Ryan and he said, "I only introduce people, what's between you and Frank you need to sort out with Frank Greco and not me."
• Tony Ryan as my social worker at CCCare signed me up to a personal loan with Brontobyte Financial Solutions. He was my social worker, social workers don't do this.

My Beef with CCCare (Christian City Care Whitehorse) and CCCW (Christian City Church Whitehorse) are:

• I brought the above claims to both CCCare and CCCW however they did nothing. Instead decided to make me out to be a trouble maker. Even though I provided some pretty solid facts and evidence.

Granted almost three (3) years have passed since these ugly events about the CCCare Social Worker (Tony Ryan) were brought to the attention of Christian City Care Whitehorse; Christian City Church Whitehorse; Peter McHugh and the board of directors who reside over both CCC and CCCW.

However I'm the one who lost out here on a number of fronts. It was the CCCare social worker who was as fault and not me. So in keeping with this fact(s) I will continue to keep this blog open and active until such time as CCCW; CCCare; and or the board of directors of CCCare & CCCW decide to address this in the type of protocol and direction that it should (I should) have received from day one.